As I was going through the alley, I started to hear some footsteps almost running behind me. And I glanced over my shoulder, and all I could see was a man with a hooded top, hood right up, head down, approaching really, really quickly. And I don't know why, just sitting inside me, said, this isn't good, this isn't good. Didn't recognise him, just thought, scruffly dressed guy, because he was all in disguise.

And I thought, it's okay, because it comes out into a dead end road. And I was nearly at the road. And I thought, well, there's buildings and there's cars and there's somebody walking up the hill. So my whole brain was doing that whole self-talk. So there were people around. Yeah, and I could see certain town centre ahead of me.

And there's literally a guy who I now know is John Mitchell, Johnny, who was one of the first people to come to my rescue. He was walking up the hill. And when did you realise that he had a knife? So he grabbed me, jumped on me. And I first of all thought it was being mugged because he came on my right side where my bag was. And as I was struggling to get free, he literally just pulled, drew out this big, large carving knife in his right hand. I remember seeing the knife thinking, oh my god, he's got a knife. And without even a time to process it, he was stabbing me straight into the chest. And you're eight months pregnant, yeah.

So I've got a fair bump and all you're thinking is survival.

Hey, lovely listeners and welcome back to crime analyst in the intelligence cell.

And today I'm joined by a very special guest.

Natalie, please introduce yourself.

I am Natalie Kairosch and I am a victim, survivor, thriver and also a victims champion and campaigner.

I think that's the best way to describe me.

And you're an author as well.

You've written a book.

Yeah, author, TEDx Speaker.

Yeah.

Yes, TEDx Speaker.

I've just watched your TED Talk, actually, and incredible stuff. And just for my listeners listeners to know I did know about Natalie's

story and case from when it happened in 2016 and I had the honor the pleasure of listening to

you at CrimeCon this year in London and I have to say it was an incredible experience listening to you, talk about what happened,

but your ability to storytell and communicate in a way that was so relatable and even bring

levity and laughter to something that actually is very dark really just talks about your personality and how light

and bright and resilient and strong and incredible you truly are. And I just want to say that

first and foremost because I was in absolute awe of you and I was literally on the edge of my seat

listening to every word as was everybody

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