Ep 280: Ellen Greenberg: Breaking Down the Shocking New Ruling with Nancy Schwartzman and Sarah Cailean, Part 8

Crime Analyst

Laura Richards

True Crime

4.9 • 2.8K Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Laura sits down with Nancy Schwartzman, director of the Hulu docuseries, Death in Apartment 603: What Happened to Ellen Greenberg and homicide cold case investigator Sarah Cailean to discuss the new review undertaken by Chief Medical Examiner Dr Lindsay Simon. The 32-page report was completed on October 10 2025 and concluded Ellen’s case should remain classified as a suicide, despite documenting 20 bruises on Ellen’s body in addition to the 11 noted in the original autopsy and a further 3 stab wounds taking the total to 23, including 10 to the back of her head and neck. Cliphttps://youtu.be/i72Ao0Pqxc8?si=WhN8FL8m-ylzgYCe Sources Crime Analyst Series: The Case of Ellen Greenberg Forensically Deconstructing the 911 Call Crime Analyst YouTube episode with Dr Jaime Zuckerman 20 posts in the Crime Analyst Squad about Ellen Greenberg: patreon.com/CrimeAnalyst Dr. Wayne Ross 2021 Report Dr. Cyril Wecht 2012 Report https://www.hulu.com/series/death-in-apartment-603-what-happened-to-ellen-greenberg-b0338377-2cf8-43c4-98b7-5f907e9d51d1 Dr. Wayne Ross 2017 Report · CNN - She had 20 knife wounds and at least 11 bruises. Authorities said she killed herself Dec 2024 #EllenGreenberg #Apartment603 #Hulu #JusticeForEllen #DomesticAbuse #CoerciveControl #SamuelGoldberg #Separation #Risk #Femicide #CrimeAnalyst #TrueCrime #Podcast #HiddenHomicide #HULU #SarahCailean#NancySchwatzman #SamGoldberg #TrueCrimePodcast Advocacy and the Fight for Justice Ellen Greenberg’s parents have been fighting for fourteen years to seek justice for their daughter. How You Can Help Support Justice for Ellen by signing the petition. Stay updated and show support on Facebook: Justice for Ellen Facebook. Contribute to the GoFundMe campaign Contact the Mayor of Philadelphia to request a closer investigation and advocate for justice for Ellen. You can reach out via: Webpage: Philadelphia Mayor's Office Twitter: @PhillyMayor Facebook: @PhillyMayor Instagram: @PhillyMayor Mail: Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General, Strawberry Square, Harrisburg, PA 17120 Contact Governor Shapiro to request that Ellen’s manner of death be officially listed as a homicide and that her murder be thoroughly investigated: Contact Governor Shapiro You can find more from Sarah Cailean here: Instagram @caileansarah Podcast: Who Took Misty Copsey? - Podcast - Apple podcasts https://share.google/iF8dU4zlnVfxTeKn8 Masterclasses and Crime Analyst Resources and Community For those interested in learning more, Laura offers 2025 Masterclasses covering topics such as profiling behavior, preventing murder and suicide in slow motion, DASH, DASH Train the Trainer, coercive control, and stalking. Registration details and more training information are available at: Register for Masterclasses www.dashriskchecklist.com www.thelaurarichards.com The Crime Analyst Squad is a growing and dynamic community offering expert insight, in-depth conversations, exclusive episodes and videos, and live events. Join the community or follow along: Patreon: Crime Analyst Squad YouTube: @crimeanalyst Facebook: Crime Analyst Podcast Instagram: @crimeanalyst, @laurarichards999 Threads: @crimeanalyst X (Twitter): @thecrimeanalyst, @laurarichards999 TikTok: @crimeanalystpod Website: www.crime-analyst.com If you found this episode valuable, please consider leaving a five start review wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	The parents of Ellen Greenberg, the 27-year-old teacher whose stabbing death sparked a year-long search for answers, now speaking out after her death was once again ruled a suicide by a medical examiner.
0:12.5	I'm kind of speechless because I didn't expect it to turn out like this.
0:17.9	Josh and Sandy Greenberg say they still don't believe their daughter took her own
0:22.0	life. It's safe to say you don't accept the ruling of suicide. No. Just from a very clinical view,
0:31.2	nothing leans towards suicide. According to police reports, Ellen's fiancé Sam found her dead in their apartment after returning from the gym in 2011, a knife sticking out of her chest.
0:43.5	My fiance is on the floor with blood everywhere.
0:46.1	Is it the house or apartment?
0:47.9	Oh, no.
0:49.3	Oh, no.
0:50.5	He was never accused of foul play.
0:52.8	The initial autopsy finding 20 stab wounds in the neck, back, head, and heart, with bruises all over her body.
1:00.8	Her death originally ruled a homicide, but changed to suicide.
1:05.0	Ellen's parents pushing authorities to re-examine the case for years.
1:09.2	On Friday, following a court-ordered re-examination, the Philadelphia
1:12.9	medical examiner's office stated, Greenberg would be capable of inflicting these injuries herself,
1:18.8	noting that there was no sign of a struggle or an intruder and no defensive wounds.
1:24.1	Chief medical examiner, Dr. Lindsay Simon, also noting that Greenberg was a young woman suffering
1:29.3	from anxiety and was on a prescription medication and that there was no trace of her fiancée's
1:35.0	or anyone else's DNA on the knife. Ellen's parents outraged. Who was she to know what was going on in
1:43.6	my daughter's brain at the time?
1:46.6	The Emmy's office telling ABC News that they have no further comment.
1:51.1	Ellen's parents determined to keep pushing.
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