I'm Elizabeth Reese.

And this is Best to the Nest, the podcast that's all about creating strong, comfortable, beautiful nests that prepare us to fly.

Today, Marjorie, we are talking about mom guilt.

Dun, dun, dun, done.

I think it's the worst, and we're going to have a conversation about it.

I think it is pretty relatable.

Well, I'm really happy that we're talking about this because, as you know, I sort of use this podcast as free therapy in addition to supplement the paid therapy that I do.

But I had an incident about a week and a half ago that was really the impetus for this conversation.

And it led to me driving to a work event sobbing while I went and that's never

a good feeling and let me just preface this by saying I'm not really a big guilt person I don't

feel guilt regularly I think like if I murdered someone, I would feel

very guilty. Good. But I don't feel guilty about a lot of things. And I don't think that guilt and

shame are very productive, I guess. Like, I don't think you, when you come from a place of feeling like a lot of guilt and a lot of shame, I think it can be difficult to use those constructively.

And so there's lots of other emotions that I feel.

I just, I try not to be shaming of myself or overly guilty.

I think there's a, I think, I think I, my feelings about those two things are a little bit

more, are just different.

I was going to say more complex, but I don't think it's any more complex than how you're

feeling about it.

I just, I think guilt and shame are useful.

And this is when Elizabeth, we would have early conversations with Renee Browne Brown on the morning show when my husband I would do this.

My feelings about shame.

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