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hey everybody tom woods here it's episode 2748 of the Tom Woods show. I've got Andrew Day with me. He is senior editor at the American Conservative magazine, which has played an important role in the intellectual discourse, let's say, such as it is these days on the right. And I have never talked to him or met him before, but he's sharp on Twitter, which is the first quality I look for in a person. I always tell my children, you are not getting the best of your dad on Twitter. You know, it brings out the worst in everyone, so you are not permitted to judge me there. They don't have Twitter accounts,

so generally only one of them really looks. But sometimes, you know, I'll go downstairs and

she'll be like, I don't know if you should have put it quite that way. But anyway, Andrew,

welcome to the show. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. Well, let's go back into the institutional

history of your magazine because it came along, as I recall,

right around the time of the war in Iraq in 2003, and this was an opportunity for not just Pat

Buchanan, but for other people who post-Cold War thought the United States might consider

going back to being a normal country like all the other countries of the world and were

increasingly disappointed as the 1990s went along and then into 2003. So in effect,

with this war in Iran, you are part of that ongoing history, I suppose. Yeah, it certainly seems like it.

The magazine was founded in 2002 in advance of the Iraq war, because everyone could kind of feel it coming, right right? And Pat Buchanan was one of the co-founders. The others were Scott McConnell and Taki, I won't attempt the last name. And, you know, Pat Buchanan was kind of the face of the magazine and really wanted a conservative publication that was associated with non-interventionism because actually, as you know, I'm sure, non-interventionism, anti-interventionism has a long history in America. It got a little scrambled during the Cold War when the neocons kind of attached themselves to the Republican Party. But after the Cold War, people like Papi-Cinnon were saying, okay, it's time to stop with this, you know, militarism abroad, we need to rethink NATO, we should come back home, shore up our Republican institutions,

and the neocons clearly were going another way. They reached the ascendancy of their power

during the Bush administration and lobbied for the Iraq War. And so the American

conservative was founded to oppose that. And yeah, it does seem like history is repeating itself a bit

with this Iran war. Only one thing that I will say,

I think it was less comfortable actually back then to be an anti-war conservative.

Much less.

You know, Papi Cannon and the American conservative, they were lambasted, they were called unpatriotic

conservatives, whereas this time around, the Iran war is less popular, even among traditional

Republicans.

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