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Hey everybody, Tom Woods here. It's episode 2747 of the Tom Wood Show with John Hoffman, who is a research fellow at the Cato Institute, who's been fantastic on everything that's been going on with regard to the United States and Iran. As you can see, I'm not in my natural habitat here. I am actually at, I don't want to say where, but I'm in Las Vegas, which is where my wife was born and raised, and I got the drapes in back of me, which are hypnotic.

But I assure you, we are trying to persuade you through the strength of our arguments and not through hypnotic shapes in the background.

But in any case, John, I'm glad to have you back, and I read you on so-called X, and you're doing very, very important work.

You know, this thing, this conflict, whatever it is with Iran, changes so quickly that unless everything I do is a live stream, you know, I'm afraid I'm going to be out of date, you know, even six hours later or

whatever. So I want to see what we can do from a bigger picture standpoint here to talk about

issues related to this that will still be, I think, important even weeks, months, years from now.

So, for example, you've had a lot to say about the so-called special

relationship between the United States and Israel. Now, this is a topic that I feel like I've been

forced to talk about. I mean, I guess I talked about it before, but it wasn't top of mind. I have a

million other things I want to talk about. So it's not that I'm

obsessed with the topic. It's more that the topic has forced itself on me. You know,

current events have forced this on me. I don't really want to spend all my time on this,

but it really, really is important. And I guess the thing I want to ask you, and I want you

to take your time with this,

is the debate, well, there wasn't a debate up until recently, but now there is a little bit of a

debate over whether that relationship is a net positive or negative for the United States.

Now, some of the debate is you're an anti-Semite even for raising the question. All right, well, with the 5% of people who are capable of having an actual conversation about this, it has boiled down to the interests of Israel and the United States are, in fact, coordinate.

So it's a good thing that we have this relationship.

The other side says the interests of the United States and Israel diverge in major, major ways.

And then, of course, I suppose there's a third middle of the road position, which would be that, as with any pair of countries,

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