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hi everybody tom woods here it's episode 2729 of the Tom Wood Show, and I'm delighted to have

Sean Griffith with us, who is a law professor at Fordham University. Does you go to Harvard Law School?

I did. I did. Don't hold it against me. What were the years you were there?

97 to 2000. Oh, okay. I was undergrad 90 to 94.

That's a separate question in itself.

Maybe we'll end up talking about elite universities.

I hope so.

At some point in this conversation, there's so much to say about them.

But I heard an episode you did on the Jay Burden show on the subject of DEI and corporate governance and questions related to that.

So let me start up with something that might sound technical to the audience, but you've got to know

this stuff to be part of the conversation here. Does this at its heart have to do with the

Burley and Means thesis from the modern corporation and private property?

My question is, why are corporations woke, or why are they so woke, or why are they still woke,

right? Something like that. And I think the answer to that is, yes, it goes to managerialism in some

way. And what's interesting for me, when people talk about managerialism, they usually start

with the James Burnham book, which is 1940, 1941, right? But you're right to ask about

Burley and Means because they're writing 10 years earlier. And what's fascinating, and Burley and Means,

if you want to talk about Overton Windows in places like law schools and elite universities,

people know the names and cite the work of Burley and Means. So in my corporations class, I cite Burley and Means all

the time. It's very mainstream. But Burley and Means were picked up by Burnham. And Burnham writes

about Burley and Means in the managerial revolution. In fact, he takes his thesis from them. So the simple answer to

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