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Hi everybody. Tom Woods here. It's episode 2696 of the Tom Woods show. We have the great John Schaefer with us. John, you will know, I hope, if you have a discriminating ear as the songwriter, the lead guy, guitarist for Iced Earth. But he had numerous other projects as well, demons and wizards, sons of liberty,

other projects. And he got caught up in the whole January 6th thing, to put it very mildly,

and had his life turned upside down. But now he is vindicated and he has resumed his life,

but down rather a different path from earlier. But it's a story that has barely yet been told. And old Woods here wants to make sure it gets told. So, John, it's great to talk to you. Welcome back. You too, Tom. It's good to talk to you, man. Thank you. All right. Well, let's start off here, kind of in the same way you started off in an interview you did with Mark Victor.

Because you have been a guest on this show before. We have talked politics. So let's refresh everybody's memory. I will say that, so Ice Earth is a metal band. And I will say, as I'm sure you are aware, that the metal world is not, or let's say, the world of the musicians and the reporters for like metal publications.

These people, you know, you would think these would be tough guys, right?

I mean, you got the black metal people with their corpse paint and you got the death metal people singing about

decapitating people whatever you know and disemboweling people you'd think these would be tough people

but when push comes to shove as soon as the COVID people come along they hide in a corner like a little

girl you know I mean it's incredible so it's like you and Phil Labonte and like one or two other people who actually are tough guys.

But anyway, so how would you describe your political views?

Well, I'm just a pro-freedom guy.

I mean, I have to admit that there was a point in my life where I bought into the neocon stuff.

It was a long time ago.

A lot of us did.

Yeah.

And, you know, I think people need to grow

and change their positions as they learn more. And I'm always willing to be convinced that I'm

wrong about something. So, but I think it takes a certain kind of intestinal fortitude to admit

you're wrong about things and that you were seeing the world through a false view.

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