Hey, everybody, welcome. Thank you for listening to this episode of Marriage Therapy Radio.

My name is Zach. I'm here with Laura. Today we're talking with River Fair, who works with a wide

variety of clients, helping them chase radical integrity. He touches on a topic that's near and dear

to my heart, which is the idea of sustainability. How do you sustain results once you've leaned

into a health effort, whether that's

health around your body or your spirit or your relationship? You know, sometimes we have these

mountaintop experiences and then we come down and how do you actually, you know, keep it going.

We have a bit of that conversation. I think it's fascinating. Join us for this very cool chat with

River Fair about what it means

to pursue wellness and to sustain it. This is a very cool conversation. Stick around. Hi, River. I'm

Zach. Hi, is Zach. River, Zach is my buddy. We have been recording our voices for six years.

Are we on six years? We're five and a half. Five and a half years. I'm called six if you want. And we kind of have similar styles when it comes to working with couples. He's also a couple's therapist and highly trained in the Gottman method. I'm excited to see where this conversation goes because I told Zach last night, hey, we got an interview.

I hope you're available at 10.

Surprise.

Surprise.

Yeah.

I have to say, River, I was reading your bio.

And, and okay, I have to, I just have to ask because Zach asked me.

He said, is River his real name? Is this all real? And then as I was going

through your website, you have books that are penned under a different name. And I was like, what is that

all about? Was this part of your metamorphosis? Yes. River was my middle name. And so L.R. Hard Song was my author name. And that's what I used to do

all the video symposiums on and my blogs and everything else in the past. And until really last year.

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