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🗓️ 18 July 2025
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With the Epstein matter all over the news, it seemed like an opportune moment to examine the ledger for the first six months of the second Trump term.
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0:00.0 | Get ready to take a flamethrower to the official narrative and learn what the elites don't want you to know. |
0:08.8 | You're listening to the Tom Woods Show. |
0:18.6 | Hey, everybody, it's Tom Woods. It's episode 2669 of the Tom Woods show. And we got our old friend |
0:24.5 | Aaron McIntyre here, who let me just say he has an extra virtue today. The extra virtue is, |
0:30.5 | at the very last minute I had somebody back out, and I thought who else could have this exact |
0:35.7 | conversation with me who won't, like, throw me away as a friend if I ask him at the very last minute. And all Aaron McIntyre of the Orrin McIntyre show, author of The Total State, the book I've been badgering you all to read, stepped up to the plate, and here he is. So welcome back. Thanks for at me. All right. So what I want to do, |
0:56.1 | you know, the thing is it's like, how do I keep every episode of my show from being the same |
1:00.0 | episode for the next three weeks? Because the Epstein thing has blown up, which then in turn |
1:05.7 | has caused a lot of, I hate the word influencer, but so I don't know, like right wing intellectuals, |
1:12.3 | whatever you want to say, to now do kind of like a soul searching or like an accounting |
1:16.7 | of the Trump six or so months that we've had looking at the ledger and trying to figure out |
1:23.0 | what's the overall plus or minus of the whole thing. Now I feel like that's all I want to talk about |
1:27.9 | with everybody who comes on. But I really do want to go and look at what things are we happy |
1:33.5 | happened, what things did not happen that we think should happen, and what things are just, |
1:38.7 | you know, outright catastrophes. So why don't we start where everybody is right now, |
2:01.6 | which is this Epstein matter? I'm sure you've already said everything you feel like you want to say about it. But what I really want to say about it is not, I don't want to reconstruct what Pam Bondi said. And then this one's, I think most people have that story in their heads. It's more, there are a couple of different stories being told on the right, |
2:06.2 | and one of them is, this is going to go away. It's only our people who really care about this that much. This will dissipate and forget about it. And there are other people saying this |
2:11.2 | will not go away. This has taken a huge amount of the wind out of the sails, wind that they |
2:17.2 | needed for the midterms of this |
2:20.3 | movement. Which one of those, or maybe you have a third one, better describes your opinion? |
2:25.8 | Well, I think the first interesting thing to take out of this is that for all of the discussion |
2:31.3 | and all the assertions, I think this kind of proves that ultimately |
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