They're bad, their boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford, and David Heller.

Come back.

Baby, come back.

But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

I must admit I was a clown to be messing around.

But that doesn't mean that you have to leave town.

Come back.

We, as you know, are now doing the split episodes where we have our catch up separately to the interviews. I wanted to say, though, before the intro to this interview, we normally, when we speak to people about issues and running, there's always the combination,

but we typically use running as a good way to set the tone before going into the issue.

Actually, on this episode, we started introducing the

topic and then got straight into quite intensive and obviously quite emotive subjects and

then carried on with that because it didn't feel right to move into running because we wanted to

actually address what was going on and continue the flow of the conversations. So if this one is

quite hard hitting just because the subject is and it needed it because there's huge injustice

out there. So if you're used to the usual flow of our conversations, this is different.

This is from the go, from the start, some quite intense conversation.

Hopefully that then explains the flow of it.

Nick, take it away.

Thank you.

I got lost in a bit of a wormhole where I read, I believe it was a Runners World article about Jordan and then started reading a lot more.

Probably don't need to explain too much just by giving Jordan's full name, which is Jordan

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