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Hey everybody, it's Tom Woods. It's episode 2644 of the Tom Woods show. And by popular demand, I am indeed releasing an episode on this matter of Pope Leo the 14th. I've just had too many people saying, doggone it, you've got to do it. And so here I am, joined by the only person you would want alongside me for this

topic. And that is the great Roger McCaffrey, whom I have known since 1993. I met Roger, let me

give them the story. I met Roger at the John Randolph Club meeting in 1993, which was a meeting of like the, let's say,

the paleo-cons and the Rothbard Rockwell group, and they were getting to know each other

at the end of the Cold War. So I got to know Roger there, so it's been quite a long time.

Roger and his wife are godparents of two of my kids, so it's a very close connection.

I was managing editor of the Latin Mass Magazine, which was founded by Roger.

For many years, we've had a connection going back quite some time.

He publishes the traditionalist, and he's one of the most interesting people you can talk to.

And on top of everything else,

Murray Rothbard used to come to his house for dinner because his father was Neil McCaffrey,

who hung around with the National Review People, founded the conservative book club,

Arlington House Publishers, which published a lot of our great books for many years. So,

Roger, I'm very glad to have you back to talk about this.

Tom, it's always good.

It's always good.

And this is, I'm in Rome.

I think I guess you told people that.

Yeah, yeah.

And I've been here for two weeks right down the street from,

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