Hey, everybody, welcome. And thank you for listening to this episode of Marriage Therapy Radio.

My name is Zach Brittle. I'm here with Laura Heck. We're also here together today with Dr. Shannon

Curry. Shannon is one of the smartest people I know. As a clinician, she really gets it in the areas of

clinical and forensic psychology. I love talking to her and picking her brain. I really thought

she was

the right person for us to talk to about a question that's been on my mind, which is, is grief a

skill? Can you be good at it? We all understand grief. Grief is a thing that we all have to grapple with

from time to time. There's capital G grief, which maybe has to do with the loss of something severe,

a parent or a child or a dog or a job. And then there's the more sort of subtle, lowercase g grief, which is about maybe the loss of, I don't know, the life that we wanted to live or the marriage we thought we were going to have. Laura and Shannon and I bat this around for a while, and I think it's really valuable. Before we get started, though, I want to remind you once again about the workshop that Laura and I have coming up in the middle of May. I think this is the last week you can register with the early bird discount. Go ahead and visit Marigestrapyradio.com to get more information about that. We would love to have you. In the meantime, this is a very cool conversation. Stick around. Thanks for hanging out with us. Thanks for having me, guys. What is a morning look like for you? What have you done already this morning at 9 a.m? That is a legitimate. You do not want to know. No, I'm serious. Tell me about yesterday. What was yesterday like? It was apparently it was a crazy thing for you. You are a good interviewer. I know, right? Honestly, because that is a rich question. Really? What happened yesterday? We're just in the ball rolling. We can leave out whatever we want, but I am. Well, no, I mean, honestly, it's, all right, let me think I'm literally having like my legal team downloaded in my head right now. And I'm thinking which things can I disclose. Yeah.

Was it that juicy?

Yeah.

You had a juicy day?

Yeah.

It actually was.

And I asked Zach if he had a crazy day because I have found, and I don't want to be too

woo-woo here.

Oh, I love the woo-woo.

Bring it on.

I have found having a private practice for a long time now, there are these waves, right?

You'll almost get, I mean, so you guys probably know, sometimes you'll get a bunch of intakes

and you almost get the client confused because same demographics, same age, same everything,

same presenting problem.

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