This is Annie Grace and you're listening to this naked mind podcast where without

judgment, pain or rules, we explore the role of alcohol in our lives and culture.

Hi, this is Annie Grace and welcome to this naked mind podcast. So I am super excited because

I recently made a new friend and this is Janie Lee Grace and I'm not her tell you her

story but welcome Janie. It's so nice to have you here. Oh, it's fantastic to be able

to speak with you Annie. I'm such a fan and where do I start with my story? Well, I wear

a lot of hats. I'm a presenter and an author and interestingly, a well-being kind of expert

in a verticalis. I've been running a website on holistic living for years and I've written

best-selling books and I'm telling you this because I'm kind of a little bit known in the

whole holistic health world, if you like. And that's why it's so bizarre to me when I look

back now to think that through all of that discussion and all of the stuff I was doing

about living well and eating well and good nutrition and your mindset and all of this

stuff that I've been talking about for years and years and years and years, still I was

drinking way too much. And looking back, it's incredible to me but I finally was able

to start up and that for me was the missing piece of the jigsaw, I feel like. And it's

all of a sudden, oh wow, now I get it. Now I can start to understand what actually proper

holistic living means because before there was always a gap, there was always something

and it was absolutely the booze. No, that's amazing. So why don't you walk us all the way

back to even early days, teenager childhood, when was your first drink, when you were

introduced to alcohol? Okay, I started fairly late I think. So probably not till I was at

university and late teens, early 20s. And in the early days, I suppose I'm grateful now

to think that I couldn't, I was one of those people that couldn't hold my beer as we say

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