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I'm Elizabeth Reese.

This is Best to the Nest, the podcast that is all about creating strong, comfortable, beautiful nests that prepare us to fly.

Marjorie, we're kind of doing our old-timey gig here, where we would take big pop culture and celebrity news and then use it as a jumping off point to have a bigger discussion about how we as humans live.

And today the theme is gray divorce, as in you are old enough to have gray hair, which I don't know.

I mean, I'm 40.

I have some gray hairs.

I'm not quite 40.

I should just be careful to say that because I have a few more months of not. And let's be clear. My hairdresser has only found one gray hair on me. Yeah, great. Way to go.

I mean, no. I'm very proud of that. I have nothing to do with it, but I'm very proud of it.

But it's that idea of being older and being a long time into a marriage and really having your kids be pretty much gone, grown and gone, and then you

decide to split up. And the example, of course, that we're talking about today is Bill and

Melinda Gates, who announced that they are divorcing and they were married for 27 years.

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