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Hello and welcome to Raising Good Humans.

I'm Dr. Eliza Pressman and today's episode is a conversation with professor of psychology

Gail Hayman from the University of California San Diego who is a researcher in

various areas of human cognition,

among them how children learn how to lie.

We often think about lying as the worst thing and we really want our children to be honest with us to above

all else know that they can trust us and tell us the truth but lying can be much

more complicated than that and actually being able to lie

requires a lot of mental skills. So let's listen to this conversation and this is

the beginning of a lot of discussions we'll have about lying and responding to lying.

But first we're going to dive into how children discover how to deceive.

And don't forget to stick around for listener questions and answers.

So the first thing that I wanted to just get into is that a lot of parents of young children witness their first hints of lying or

deception and go immediately into panic about what it means.

What I want to cover is how can parents understand the

developmental processes involved in even having the ability to deceive?

I'd love to walk through that so that you can help us understand what

your research is about kind of the beginning of understanding lying and then we can

go from there once we understand what's at play

developmentally. Lying is really interesting in part because it involves like

cognitive sophistication but also involves a lot of moral issues and you know I

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