Welcome to the Second in Command Podcast, produced by the COO Alliance and brought to

you by its founder, Cameron Herald.

In the second-in-command podcast,

we talked to top COOs who share the insights,

strategies and tactics that made them the chief behind the chief.

And now here's your host, Cameron Harold.

We're blessed to have this legend on the show, and I'm so happy to have your sharing your work.

It's amazing and by the way you were part of what I think is the best class to come out of the

EMP program. It used to be called Birting and Giants now called the

entrepreneurial master's program. Brian Bro was your your facilitator, right?

Jeff Calababa. Sorry. It was Byrne and then Byrne what like halfway through Jeff came in got it. Yeah, you were part of a different class. You weren't the best class. You're a damn good one though. Oh no I had we had Andy Bailey, John Ratliff, Ken Sim.

No, you guys had a really great class. I remember I remember where you were sitting I remember where Andy

Bailey was sitting right by the rail. Ken Sim was one of my first coaching clients.

And yeah, you guys had a really, really good class.

Yeah, it was an experience, you know,

and for me it planted the seeds for what became really my life's work at this point which was

you know building companies and doing it with the use of core values now I have the book coming

out so and but what I want to say is, you know, we met there, you came back for my year three actually,

and then, and then we connected a bit after that, but you're the person that introduced me to Ted and and really got me like in that world and and that was very very that that's so formative to me that I based this show off of how I produced my TEDx talk of my TEDx program.

Thank you. Yeah and and not only did we talk about it at TED but you've been to the main TEDx that

Ted Octav I think we connected out one year, that it's an amazing organization.

Yeah, it's a really special thing.

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