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And now from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN, the Axviles with your host

David Axelrod.

When the New York Times hired Ross Douthit, just 30 years old at the time as an op-ed columnist,

many people raised eyebrows, but he's established himself as one of the most provocative, conservative

commentators in the country since that time.

I sat down with him yesterday to talk about what Donald Trump means to conservatism and

his own interesting path to the perch he now holds.

Douthit, it is great to have you here at the University of Chicago and here on the podcast

today.

I have to say, I must ask you to start with your great grandfather, Bill Snow.

Yes.

Tell me about his part.

I have to be asking.

I have to be asking about him.

So my great grandfather was a, he was born on an island off the coast of Maine and grew

up to be a poet politician, which is not a genre of speech.

Oh, there's a hobble.

Right, right.

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