What's up everybody? This is the Betray, the addicted, and the expert. My name is Brannon and I am the expert.

And I'm Ashland and I was the portrayed.

And I'm Kobe, the recovering addict.

What you're gonna get is three unique perspectives on recovery

and tools for hope and healing.

So what is lust?

You know, you think about addiction.

An alcoholic is addicted to alcohol, right? A crack addict is addicted to crack. Well a sex

addict is addicted to sex, but what does that mean?

What is lust?

A lot of times guys think they relapse over certain things and they call it a relapse,

but they don't really know if it is or not,

if it's just a natural normal sexual response to something.

So let's break that down. Let's really define exactly what lust is and differentiate that between healthy sexuality

and lust.

So from your understanding, Kobe, in your recovery, what is lust?

So I mean, and I think that's a super fair question.

Lust for me was when I objectified another woman for my own sexual gratification to the point where I would

like deny them of their humanity.

Okay.

Meaning like I wouldn't take into consideration their character, their qualities, their

talents, their background, maybe some of the struggles they've gone through life and

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