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Hi, this is Josh Marshall and this is the Josh Marshall podcast.

We've got a few exciting episodes today.

A little later, towards the end of the show, we are going to be playing some of the finalists for our theme song contests.

We're getting close to making a final choice.

That's going to come up towards the end of the broadcast.

We want your input. We're not going to make it like a formal counting the votes.

We're kind of down to just a few contenders.

But we want your input. We want to get a sense of what you think.

If it turns out that of the three contenders that we're going to play for you,

if it turns out that everybody loves one of them, we'll probably go with that one.

So it's not like, again, not like an official count or a vote or something like that.

We want to get your input because it's a funny process choosing a theme song.

Because on the one hand, everybody has their own subjective sense of music, right?

Like some songs, you don't like other songs, it's a lot of it's personal taste.

But with a theme song for a podcast, especially for me, since I introduce the podcast,

I do that kind of, oh, it's Josh Marshall and Josh Marshall.

But when I was doing this process, a lot of it is thinking about how do I talk it in with this song.

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