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Provoked with Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton

EP:19 - GUEST: Ronald Dodson: The Shutdown Isn't About Money; It's About Power

Provoked with Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton

Scott Horton

News, History, Politics

4.7567 Ratings

🗓️ 25 October 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Start with the trenches, not the slogans. We open with Daryl’s new MartyrMade series that tells World War II from the German perspective, beginning in World War I to show how ordinary men were swept by trauma, propaganda, and deprivation into choices that later hardened into catastrophe. The aim is clarity, not absolution—humanize even the “enemy,” and you gain the tools to see your own era more honestly. From that lens, we shift to power now. Guest Ronald Dodson explains why a government shutdown can reveal a rare opportunity to cut through the administrative state. OMB’s role in classifying “non‑essential” positions and triggering reduction‑in‑force plans isn’t bean counting; it’s a constitutional lever. We explore Article II authority, what it should mean for presidential control of the executive branch, and how to draw a hard line against Bush‑era claims of boundless commander‑in‑chief power. Elections only matter if executives can direct and dismiss, and if Congress stops outsourcing lawmaking to regulators. Foreign policy exposes the costs of an unaccountable machine. The Cold War built a global apparatus that never stood down: covert wars that try to conscript the Pentagon, a CIA culture that glorifies operating beyond rules, and procurement fantasies like the F‑35 that attempt to be everything and end up fragile. We weigh a bold corrective—moving CIA operations into DIA under military accountability—and trace how empires force universal solutions while rivals need only local answers. That asymmetry drains treasure and invites strategic overreach. Can we return to an old republic? No—but we can recover representative control. That means narrowing delegations, demanding real budgets instead of endless CRs, restoring presidential direction over agencies, and designing reforms that face forward rather than worship nostalgia. Along the way, expect sharp debate, concrete mechanics, and a throughline: stories that humanize the past can help us govern the present. If this episode challenged your assumptions or gave you a new frame to think with, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find it. (Cleaned up w/ the Podsworth app and re-released November 20, 2025. ⁠https://podsworth.com⁠) 👉 Subscribe for more honest, unfiltered conversations that push past the noise. 🔹 No safe spaces. 🔹 No corporate filters. 🔹 Just raw, informed, and fearless conversation. Provoked show website: ⁠https://provoked.show⁠ Darryl's links: X: ⁠@martyrmade⁠ ⁠https://subscribe.martyrmade.com⁠ Scott's links: X: ⁠@scotthortonshow⁠ ⁠https://scotthortonacademy.com⁠ ⁠https://libertarianinstitute.org⁠ ⁠https://antiwar.com⁠ ⁠https://scotthorton.org⁠ ⁠https://scotthorton.org/books⁠ ⁠https://www.scotthortonshow.com⁠ 🎙️ New to streaming or looking to level up? Check out StreamYard and get $10 discount! 😍 ⁠https://streamyard.com/pal/d/4904399580430336 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Jamie Lang and Sophie Haboo have arrived on Disney Plus.

0:04.5

We're having a baby.

0:05.5

We're having a baby.

0:07.2

I've always wanted to be mom.

0:09.4

And we're bringing you on our journey through everything.

0:12.4

I have no idea what we're doing.

0:13.6

Thank you. I have more of an idea.

0:15.6

I think of it like a Tamagocchi.

0:17.8

At the end of all of this...

0:20.0

We're going to have a little baby.

0:21.8

Raising Chelsea, a Hulu original series streaming exclusively on Disney Plus.

0:27.3

18 plus subscription required T's and T supply. The

0:40.3

The What is up?

1:02.3

Everybody and my buddy Scott.

1:04.5

This is Daryl Cooper, creator of the Martyr Made podcast.

1:07.6

You know me.

1:08.3

The reason I'm jumping on to start this thing off is is Scott has been carrying me on his back for the last month and a half, two months or so as I've been finishing my new history episode. And so I figured I should, uh, at least pretend to pull my weight here at the beginning. How you doing, buddy? Ah, that was my fault. I should pay better attention. How are you doing, man?

1:28.8

Doing all right.

1:29.8

Like, you know, I was, I did an episode with Dave the other day.

1:33.5

and yeah one of the things I told him was when I when I when it's been a while since I put out a history episode and I start to get to that last final stage the real difficult part of what to cut and how to finish it and how it's going to go over. You know, I can fall into, you know, this pit

1:44.4

of self-doubt, you know, where I'm just eventually just think I'm never going to finish it.

1:51.3

And all my subscribers are going to leave. My wife's going to divorce me and I'm going to kill

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