Welcome to another dear Lovejoy podcast special. Today we're discussing birth. How to have a happy birth. Obviously not for yourself because you've already been born, but how to have a child that you might want to have. So glad you pointed that out.

Have her birth. And today's guest is Beverly Turner now. You might know Beverly Turner.

She's a broadcaster who you might know from presenting travel show, the F1 or this morning.

At the moment, she has a current affairs show on LBC on Saturday evening.

And according to Wikipedia, she trebled her audience in a year.

She's also obsessed with birth. And she's written a book, The Happy Birth

Book with midwife Pam Wild. She has three children of her own. Mark, what do you know about

birth? Apparently it's not that painful and women just make a big fuss about it. It's not an illness.

It's not an illness. It's not an illness.

No, I don't, I'm really, I'm quite ignorant.

So I'm looking forward to this because I quite like learning about things I don't know about.

I've been present at three birthing sessions.

I started with my own, which I don't remember.

Then the twins were born 15 years ago.

And then there was a little cute you're Jamie Jean

four years ago neither none of them or neither neither of the ones with my children went as nature

intended but my own birth did but that's because you're perfect Tim but I don't I don't remember

it my mom had me at home in bed.

She?

Yeah.

They're trying to get back to that now.

That was in the 30s, wasn't it?

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