Hello and welcome to Happier, a podcast that gives you strategies and ideas for how to build happier habits into your daily life.

This week we'll talk about why you should make a fax of life book and we'll discuss a listener question that combines two of my favorite subjects,

Outer Order and the Four Attendencies.

I'm Gretchen Rubin, a writer whose studies happiness good habits in human nature. I'm a New York City, specifically I'm in Brooklyn right now,

And with me is my sister Elizabeth Krabb and Elizabeth I was just thinking of you when Eliza Eleanor and I were all in Kansas City.

We went to Winsteads, we went to Plaza Princess Gardens, Ward Parkway. I just wish you could be there too.

I know, that's me Elizabeth Krabb to TV writer and producer living in LA and Gretchen I was so jealous.

I loved all the pictures you sent me but I was very jealous because it really looked like a great summertime visit to Kansas City.

Yeah, well we thought of you.

And listen, you have a really exciting interview score that you got for your Happier and Hollywood podcast,

The podcast you do with your co-writer Sarah Fane coming up. So tell everybody about that.

Yes, we always have had a dream guest for Happier and Hollywood and it was Channing Dungee. She's the president of ABC Entertainment.

She's the first African American president of a major broadcast network and she is just fantastic. We've admired her for years because we've worked with her in the past and she's always just like given the best notes.

You have to say part of the reason that you could visit her brilliance. She's always been big fans of your work.

That's true. But anyway, she agreed to come on the podcast and we have a great interview with her coming up on episode 69 of Happier and Hollywood.

And she's just got so many interesting things to say. I encourage everyone to listen and hear from Channing who also Gretchen is the person who pulled the plug on the new reboot of Roseanne.

So she was recently in the news. So we also talk about that. Yeah, I cannot wait for that. That's going to be fascinating.

And before we jump into the try this at home, we got a great before and after story from our listener, Antonia.

Yes, Antonia says, I've always loved to organize and declutter but have had an especially overwhelming urge to clear clutter since listening to the Happier podcast.

And Gretchen, you'll remember in episode 160, we cleared my office in episode 10, we cleaned my closet.

Yeah. So we want to go back and listen to that.

The answer to the one said Antonia said particularly inspired her.

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