Hello and welcome to episode 180 of the Thinking Elsap podcast in Los Angeles. I'm Nathan Fox with me in Vienna, Virginia.

Is Ben Olson. Ben did you ever think we'd make it to 180 episodes?

I don't think that I did that at one point. I certainly thought that this would be over with a

clover. But what did you say? It's just something I say all the time because it rhymes but no one ever says it.

It's just a like a family thing I guess. Yeah but over with a clover.

Yeah, so does this mean that we're done?

I mean, we hit 180.

Yeah, once you get to 180, you really should be basically done.

But, uh, we're the type of people who well. Yeah get high one 70s and then keep doing it for the rest of your life

Yeah, so this kind of reminds me, have you gotten emails like throughout your time in this field of people talking about getting scores higher than 180?

No.

Okay, I feel like I have on more than one occasion.

Like, you know, someone like, oh, I'm definitely trying to get 190 or something like it's like hmm okay we

That's funny like if you say that you want a 180

at least you know the score range but even then it's kind of like mmm do you realize

the challenge that you're up against right now if they come back and say I've been

scoring in the 170s then then I say yeah why not we'll shoot for 180 but people starting out it's hilarious when people are like I will not give up until I get a 180

I'm like well good luck with that because some people you know you could spend the rest of your life and

potentially not get to 180 it's yeah there's there are limits like cognitively there are limits but yeah, so I always just say to people well where are you now?

And then I when they say 150 I go, okay, well, let's talk about getting you to 155.

Yeah.

And then we can talk about 160.

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