A few days for he turned 80 he was sitting out back in a rocker

He said what you've been here. Well, and the thing about this border is that it is quite literally at the top of a mountain.

So as soon as you pass over the other side of the mountain you are in

Kentucky and it is kind of a bit like it I don't know why but I always like

in it too kind of Mordor because you really are like you're looking down into like this region that is like

ringed by these larger mountains but the region itself is just kind of like

strip mind and fucked up and there's like trash fires ever but like it's very

beautiful I shouldn't say that like it's like if Soramon got his way if he had if

he had created that industrial civilization that Soramon wanted to create, if he had managed to

chop down all the trees, all the ants and whatever. And... Was that the subtext of that? I guess I never really thought about that before.

There is, I don't know. Maybe I didn't, when I was a kid when I read it, I'm not sure that I would have got it.

But there's like, you know, that fantasy genre has a sort of like anti-modern romanticism to it. And I think in watching the movies because my

girlfriend in Iraq's and I watched them all recently, there is a form of like industrial, of industrial society it's not like Jensen or

Zerzan you know I don't think that Tolkien was an end prim or anything like right but it's like the

dark wheels of industrial progress versus like the mythic

Semi-Futal petty-producing Hobbit folk, you know? So he was trying to proletarianize yes the country's Well actually now yeah I mean certainly the habits would have been

would have suffered the ills of proletarianization but I think it's also too it's about

it's about primitive accumulation and slavery because he's got the orks

Remember he's like breeding all the orks out of the primordial ooose. So perhaps there's a lesson there about primitive accumulation of capital slavery and

settler colonialism and then eventually it comes for the for the futile peasant and

proletarianization begins. What a hell of a way to start an

episode. Well, as you know it really is because now that you mention it now that I

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