You have all these people who are losing nature, losing everything that they had in nature.

They had their plot of land, they had a bit of organic by default food, they had a, you know, the medicinal things, they had access to the commons, the local

forest where they could gather mushrooms and herbs and things like that. What they lost was also the knowledge which came along with all of that.

If you start looking at everything that was lost by divorcing us from nature, it's absolutely phenomenal.

It's health, body, sense of your bodily integrity and your owning your own body,

your rootedness in culture, a culture that is attuned to your

natural environment, it's loss of soul, it's loss of so many things.

Welcome to Living 4D with Paul Jack.

Today Paul welcomes back

Anna Reitort, author of Crevea, God Tricks against the Matrix.

Paul continues his deep dialogue with Anna, a translator, anthropologist, practitioner of grassroots spirituality,

and past life regression therapist.

Anna, from her extensive experience living with people at subsistence level,

gives us a potent lesson on poverty.

Paul shares how deeply moved and emotional he got while

reading the sections of poverty in Anna's book, how deeply saddened he was as he

revisited the actual facts of how the super-rich and religious elite strategically create poverty and destitution as a means of controlling people.

Enna explains how what is typically perceived, especially by first world people, as poverty among native peoples, is not poverty at all, but a form of true abundance and wisdom.

They need little time each day to meet their needs, they have time to be with and raise their children, they have time to make beautiful

exotic arts and crafts from their own environment with minimal technology and largely make the tools they use.

They have a natural wisdom that comes from using their hands,

being at one with the land and beings of nature. They have time to rest, dance, sing and celebrate life.

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