Welcome, everybody, a special episode of the debrief. Thanks for joining us. I'm Tim hosting alongside

of Blake and sitting down with the PMB. We've gotten some really, really good, very important questions over the last few weeks to cover in today's episode.

Why did you want to talk to Blake and I today?

Yeah, so I invited you guys to be on the show today.

Normally, Jeff is our host, but these are two young men, young as relative, because I'm getting older.

These are two guys in my life that I've counseled, guided, challenged.

We've had some good conversations, we've had some very harsh conversations.

Because when you get serious about Jesus at whatever level, gay, straight, trans,

married, divorced, single, young, old.

When you get serious about Jesus, Jesus has some very specific things about your sexuality

that need to be addressed, no matter who you are. And so these are two guys that are currently in my life.

You're like, well, why don't you have a woman?

Why don't you have a lesbian up there?

Well, just to be completely honest, some of the women in my life who've considered themselves lesbians,

we're not currently in relationship.

We've chosen to disagree and go our paths.

And so I have had in the past women in our church who have been close

to me. And they've just gone another road. And let me just tell you that. And I hope that doesn't

happen for either of you. But we could be doing this show 10 years from now. I'm hoping and praying,

I'm still here. And I haven't gone off the deep end in terms of my sexuality. But either of you

could walk away. And, you't gone off the deep end in terms of my sexuality, but either of you could

walk away. And, you know, Jesus talks about the seed being scattered on the soil. Some falls on rocky

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