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Hi friends, it's Sarah May, and this is an episode that's going to be vaguely about

disengaging from thoughts and expectations, and in other words, unconsciousness.

And today I'm talking with one of my heroes, one of my favorite people in the world, Pam Grout.

And Pam Grout is the author of 20 books, including E-squared, one of my favorite books of all time,

E-cubed, thanking Grout Rich, and her latest book is called the Course in Miracles Experiment,

a starter kit for rewiring your mind. Hello, Pam. Welcome.

Oh, thank you. It's such a treat to be here. When you send me the email and you mention

that about the people dead, and it's like, oh, I remember that so clearly. That story so much.

Yeah, context for everybody. So I like, when I first bought E-squared,

I think I was, I actually listened to you on a podcast interview. This was like a decade ago,

and you were interviewed by this guy, David Wood, who's like, I think a network marketing guy,

but adore that guy. He was like, he's had great energy, and he exposed me to so many cool people,

and you were one of them. And I ended up buying your book while I was on a business trip in Texas,

and did all of the exercises. And one of the things that happened was my husband got free tickets

to the sold out live evil dead musical in the splash zone, which is in like the first row,

where you get sprayed with blood, fake blood. It was like one of the coolest things that's ever happened.

We literally walked up and like, this guy goes, hey, are you looking for tickets? Because we're like,

oh, no, it's sold out. He goes, here, two free tickets for you. And I'm like, what? It's amazing.

So yeah, I took a photo and I sent it to Pam and we ended up being in her newsletter.

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