If I could just add one little thing, this is a little something anecdotal and it's not

about me where I love telling the story.

There's a guy's name is Don Godwin, he's 84 years old and I came 25 years ago.

So he was considerably younger then.

He was a deacon in our church and he was one of these guys who was renowned, very respectable

man in the community, a great businessman, but also just very strong convictions about

everything.

Everything biblical and extrabiblical.

We're in a deacon meeting.

I didn't mention by name because he knows this story and I love telling this story.

We're in this deacon meeting.

There's about 10 or 12 of us, maybe 15 of us.

We were going to bring, wait for it, drums onto the platform, double bass.

And so I'm the one who put, this is like 20 some years ago and I'm the one who put it

forth, you know, because the other guy next to me didn't have the guts to do so.

So I put it forth and Don lit up the room.

I mean, he lit it up, his face got red, he preached against the drums.

Why we shouldn't do this?

And it was so out of line, there was this pause, you could cut the air with the knife

and I said, Don, you were completely out of line.

You should be ashamed of yourself for the way you just talked just now.

And I went on and said a few more things and that's when you could cut the air with

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