Ep 17: Fighting Animal Testing with Hilary Jones
The ChickPeeps Vegan Podcast
Evanna Lynch
4.8 • 619 Ratings
🗓️ 18 March 2018
⏱️ 100 minutes
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Summary
This week Momo and Evy delve into the complicated world of vegan beauty products and how to make sure your vanity table is 100% vegan. We discuss the apparent oxymoron of cruelty free products that are not vegan, and why we demand more stringent measures from beauty brands than from food manufacturers. Later on (18.30) we interview Hilary Jones, the ethics director of Lush cosmetics, a 32 year vegan and a fierce and knowledgable advocate for ending animal testing. Also on this episode…
- What is the difference between cruelty-free and vegan?
- Crushed beetles, sheep’s wool and pig fat: Momo and Evy discuss the hidden non vegan ingredients often found in cosmetics.
- Our favourite beauty bloggers.
- The China thing: the legislation that blocks the world’s biggest beauty companies from being cruelty free.
- Are our expectations too high? How can we expect makeup brands to be totally Cruelty-Free as we vegan food at non vegan restaurants?
- How to veganise your cosmetics closet.
- Why is fighting animal testing part of Lush’s mission?
- “Companies create paranoia and sell products off the back of that... We don’t want to test on animals, we don’t want to make people feel bad about themselves.”
- "That’s not science, that’s just brutality” -Hilary explains how animal testing is not necessary or effective way of verifying the safety of our products.
- How do Lush test their products if not on animals?
- What happens to animals during testing.
- The LD50 test: Hilary explains the standard test that kills 50% of its subjects.
- What is The Cosmetics Drive and the Lush Prize.
- Will Lush ever go vegan? Hilary shares her feelings on being a vegan at a vegetarian company and her hopes for the future.
- What can individuals do to achieve a world free from animal testing?
- “Think about the animals in all that you do.”
Links:
Follow Lush on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook
The Tasty Vegan non-vegan ingredients list
Our favourite CF/Vegan beauty bloggers: Logical Harmony and Cruelty-Free Kitty
Logical Harmony's list of Cruelty-Free Beauty Brands
Article on Animal Testing in China and hope for ending it
Lush's Live Demonstration on Regent's Street (warning: this video is graphic)
Social Media
Twitter: @ChickPeepsPod
Instagram: @ChickPeepsPod
Facebook: @ChickPeepsPodcast
Momoko Hill: @oh_momoko
Robbie Jarvis: @robbjarvis
Tylor Starr: @tylorstarr
Evanna Lynch: @msevylynch
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Do, do, do do do do do do do do do. |
| 0:07.0 | Eat your veggies, not your friends. |
| 0:12.0 | It's not hard to be vegan. |
| 0:14.0 | The chick peeps. |
| 0:17.0 | Welcome to episode 16. |
| 0:19.0 | This is our episode on cruelty-free beauty. Cards on the table |
| 0:22.5 | listeners, this episode was an absolute pest to research because it's very confusing. So all new |
| 0:28.5 | vegans who are trying to revamp their makeup and their lifestyle routine in this way, |
| 0:34.2 | we feel for you. It is very complicated. So I have Momo on today to talk about this |
| 0:40.5 | because I wasn't about to ask Robbie or Tyler. Momo, thanks for joining me. That's all right, |
| 0:46.7 | of course. And later on on the podcast, we have Hillary Jones, the ethics director of Lush to talk to us. |
| 0:52.2 | We had an amazing interview with Hillary, |
| 1:00.4 | talked for a long, long time. She's been a vegan for 32 years and an activist for pretty much all that time too. And she just has a vast knowledge on animal testing and the industry |
| 1:06.9 | and why animal testing is still a thing and how to make history. So, tune in later for that |
| 1:11.9 | episode. But for now, Momo and I are going to talk about our journey going vegan in our, in our beauty |
| 1:17.8 | routines. And also the difference between cruelty free and vegan. So I thought we'd start out with |
| 1:22.9 | that because that is a very confusing thing. The industry sort of defines cruelty free as anything |
| 1:27.3 | that isn't tested on animals. So, sort of defines cruelty-free as anything that |
| 1:27.5 | isn't tested on animals. So, I mean, Moma, did you find that confusing when you first went |
| 1:32.4 | vegan? Yeah, I mean, I was always quite conscious of the cruelty-free thing. And I think, |
| 1:38.0 | because my story is kind of weird because I got into a certain brand of products because of their |
| 1:44.1 | cruelty-free and |
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