Welcome to the Second in Command Podcast, produced by the C.O. Alliance and brought to

its founder Cameron Herald.

In the second-in-command podcast, we talked to top COOs who share the insights, strategies,

and tactics that made them the chief behind the chief. And now here's your host

Cameron Harold. Our guest today is Ian Martin is the managing partner for

Bell Curve. Ian currently runs operations at Bell Curve. Today is Ian Martin is the managing partner for Belkerve.

Ian currently runs operations at Belkerve, which is a San Francisco-based agency that helps

startups and high-growth enterprises grow.

Belkerve has worked with companies like Microsoft, Clearbit, Segment, and Pilot, to name a few.

Before working with Belkirve, Ian helped build the advertising agency Avicus, which worked with clients like Nestle, Starbucks,

Campbell, CIBBc, and more. Prior to his work building and growing agencies,

Ian spent a number of years working at a global media agency in account management,

servicing a variety of clients spanning everything from CPG to financial services.

Ian has given talks at a number of colleges and universities on various

marketing topics and spent a couple of years teaching at York University where he helped

develop the postgraduate curriculum in digital marketing.

So Ian, welcome the Second Fan Podcast.

Thank you very much for having me.

And you mentioned just before we hopped on that you have a podcast yourself.

So what was that podcast going or what's all about that?

I did it actually it's not active anymore it was when I was at

Abacus sweet myself and the co-founder Jeff started a podcast called

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