And I was about to dismantle everything and never find out that they actually could have done exactly what I was testing for, but I couldn't see it.

And that little moment that is one of those moments that feels like it could have been hours and it could have been seconds, who knows?

But it was like, oh my God, and I remember crying.

It was just like, I was so overwhelmed by like, oh my God, the plant gave me the instructions.

I follow through, I follow through to the point of having to meet the real obstacle to this.

It wasn't the plants, it wasn't

destruction was wrong, it was my own conditioning, in this case my own

professional train and having to, you know, bump against it crack through and see that on the other side

actually everything was just working perfectly fired.

Welcome to Living 4D with Paul Check.

Today's guest is author and evolutionary ecologist Monica Gagnan.

Is Nature Conscious?

That is the topic Paul and Monica talk about in this episode and it is a question that we should all be investigating at this time.

The recent United Nations Climate Change Conference highlighted the many impacts that humans

are having on the planet.

Big industry and modern practices continue to destroy nature with extreme EMF pollution, extracting fossil fuels, application of a wide array

of dangerous farming chemicals, vast amounts of waste in our oceans and much more.

Why, you may wonder, do human beings continue to support big

corporations that are ushering in them sixth mass extinction? The answer stems

from a centuries old deep divide in the human psyche that separates matter and

spirit, viewing anything spiritual as up there or out there.

Here is a little history lesson to help us understand this.

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