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It's another special today.

Today we're having a conversation with Jason Reed, who's executive director of Leap, UK,

which is the organisation which wants to reform drugs in the country this

is an important podcast for me and one that I thoroughly enjoyed doing a little

while ago I had my mind changed dramatically I think Mark did as well via this

podcast on drugs being illegal in this country and the

fact that we need reform we speak about how I came to that conclusion in the podcast but

literally changed my mind about a year ago was it we were just on three years it was because

it was the last it was it was Christmas last year.

Peter, Peter Flexley came on.

We had a little too much to drink.

Oh, that's right.

We started getting drinking with him, didn't we?

And then he said legalised drugs and I thought you're nuts.

You're mad if you've had too much to drink.

Do you know what?

I was actually thinking about this very quickly before we start the podcast.

I'm dreading.

I might go and listen back to what you said to me afterwards.

You said, so, Mark, do you agree with Peter?

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