From the executive producers of Hell and Gone comes a new podcast

investigating the serial murders orchestrated by South African cold leader Cecilia Stein.

She conditioned them to be monsters.

In the world of murderous cults, if Charles Manson is king, Cecilia Stein is queen.

She was telling people the Bible since she was going to kill, but actually she was taking revenge.

Listen to Queen Havoc and her murder cult. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.

Okay, two things. One thing I have to get off my chest right now is,

Joel is going to preschool tomorrow and we just start talking about it and I got a little teary.

I'd be like, are you going to cry? And I'm like, I'm already like, pre-shroom it singing my eyes.

I know. I did.

I started thinking about it. I'm like, it's like, it's my girl and I'm so excited for her.

But and I want her to have like her independence, but it's like she's getting so independent now that I'm like,

it's beautiful, but it's also like it's breaking my heart a little bit.

What you'll still realize is they have their old little life then.

I know. And I'm so happy for her.

I'm just so used to her screaming at the door when I leave.

And even like when I came here today for the podcast, I was like, bye, baby. She's like, bye, mama.

And I was like, I love that. But also I'm like, oh, like she's good tomorrow.

We'll be hard. She's probably going to cry too.

No, she's not going to because we went to church. We tried this new church out here on Sunday.

And she.

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