Hello, modern war listeners. I'm Captain Jake Moraldi.

Today in the podcast will be interviewing General Retired Michael Hayden, former NSA and CIA director.

General Hayden was the director of the NSA from 1999 to 2005 and the CIA director from 2006 until 2009.

We discussed how intelligence operations have changed over his long career in the Air Force and as the NSA and CIA director,

as well as some of the tactical implications of the evolution of intelligence over that time.

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Next week's podcast will be with Major General Retired Robert Scales talking about his new book on the future of war. Next week's podcast will be with Major General Retired Robert Scales, talking about his new

book on the future of war.

Sir, so welcome to the podcast.

Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us.

Thank you.

I want to start kind of higher level and we'll neck down to a more specific level.

First and foremost, you've had a long and distinguished career in the intelligence field.

Over the course of your career, how has intelligence changed?

Well, I mean, one aspect, I think it's very important, is that intelligence has always been

important, but I actually think it's grown in importance in the last 15 years or so.

Particularly with regard to terrorism, I kind of tell a story that during the Cold War

where I spent most of my professional life, the enemy was hard to stop, but he was relatively

easy to find.

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