The Tom Woods Show, episode 1495.

Prepare to set fire to the index card of allowable opinion.

Your daily dose of liberty education starts here, the Tom Woods Show.

Folks, in school, we got a sanitized upside-down version of the history of the U.S. presidents.

Well, I'm going to bring you the real history.

Check it out at freehistorycourse.com. Hi, everybody. Tom Woods here. Jim Cantrell is with me today.

What an interesting guy, Jim Cantrell is. He was the CEO and co-founder of Vector Launch.

After working at the French Space Agency CNES and theE-S and the NASA Jet Propulsion Lab,

he worked as an independent consultant to aerospace companies for 15 years and was on the founding

teams of SpaceX with Elon Musk and Moon Express. And I want to talk to him about space,

government, and the private sector. So, Jim, welcome to the show.

Thank you, Tom. I am very interested in your background, and then I just went to your website,

and it was not at all what I was expecting it to be. So we'll get to your racing a little bit later,

but I want to ask first if you could give me, I don't know, a little bit of your background

and how you came to be associated with,'t know, a little bit of your background and how you came to

be associated with, you know, with of all things space. Yeah. Yeah, it was not really what I set out

to do in life. The only thing I really ever knew for sure I wanted to do in life was race cars.

But back in college, I bumped into a poster in the hallway at Utah State, and it was a NASA-sponsored design course for Mars rover.

And that sounded a lot like cars on another planet, which sounded kind of fun.

So I got involved with that.

That led to a job with NASA as a visiting fellow down at JPL in Pasadena where they build all the

outer space probes. And I fell in with really the guys that built the U.S. space program

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