Hey guys, welcome to not another anxiety show. I'm your host, Kelly Walker, and joining me today as guest, Dr. Amy Johnson. Hi, Amy. Hi, Kelly. Thanks for having me.

Yeah, thanks for hopping on the show. I know you've been on quite a few times, but mind if I share

your bio with any new listeners out there? Sure. Cool. Amy Johnson, PhD, is a psychologist

and author who shares a groundbreaking no-willpower approach to change. She is author of Being Human and The Little

Book of Big Change, the no-willpower approach to breaking any habit. In 2017, she opened the Little

School of Big Change, an online school that has helped hundreds of people find freedom from

anxiety and habits and live a more peaceful life. Johnson has been a regularly featured expert

on the Steve Harvey Show and Oprah.com,

as well as in the Wall Street Journal and South Magazine.

You can learn more at www.

dot, dr.emey Johnson.com.

So Amy, today I wanted to chat a little bit about one of my favorite quotes by philosopher

Alan Watts, which is, and I know you're quite familiar

with it too, which is muddy water is best cleared by leaving it alone. Now, what kind of comes

to mind for you when you hear that quote, Amy? Well, when you just said it just now, the first thing that comes to mind is like, I wonder, you know, what people think about that.

Like, like, why is this guy talking about mud and water?

Because that's totally how it would have sounded to me, you know, maybe like seven, eight years ago. Like, what? Like, what does that

have to do with anything? So, anyway, for whatever that's worth, the first thing, man, our kind of

metaphors that we use are funny. Like, yeah, when you get it, you get it. And, you know,

when it has some relevance, it has some real relevance. And when it doesn't, it's like, what does mud and water have to do with anything?

With anything that I'm experiencing right now.

Exactly.

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