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Today is another special.

It's a conversation with Ed Stafford and his wife, Laura Bingham, and talking about when they went on an adventure with their son Ran.

They're both, if you don't know, they're both adventurers.

They're both explorers.

Survivorists.

Survivorists.

I don't really know how you describe them.

But they decided to go as a family to an island.

So he normally does them on his own, doesn't it?

He does their documentaries on his own.

They both do adventures on their own.

They come together as a family

and they're going out um it's fascinating i've seen the documentary thoroughly enjoyed it uh it brings

up some interesting um points because you are a family and not just an individual so you've got

other people to worry about i think you're're right. I think you're right.

You'll say you'll hear this later,

the listener hear this later,

but you were quite right that I think

there might be some controversy about this,

I think, which will be really interesting to see.

They were quite confident about it, weren't they?

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