What eyes are you're looking through? If you're looking through earthly eyes, then everything

that happens here is overblown and its consequences. But when you look at with like the truth of

God is like we are all victors, not victims in the kingdom of heaven, right? like that is

is who we are all victors, not victims in the kingdom of heaven, right?

That is who we are because God says that's who we are.

We are more than conquerors.

And so, yes, it requires us to do our part to ensure that we have the kind of government

that we'd like to have and the policies would like to have.

But is the government not on his shoulders?

That's what scripture says.

Outstanding is a production of the Washington Stand, where you can find news and commentary from a biblical worldview.

Welcome to Outstanding, Outstanding Family, and of course this is the place where we have critical conversations about the news of the day and the ideas that shape us and I'm Joseph back home pleased to be with you once again

Welcoming you to another exercise in taking every thought captive to the

obedience of Christ. Now here on outstanding we talk often especially during

election season about particular political issues, how we should think about them, how we want to engage with them.

Today's conversation will be a little bit different. We're going to zoom out a little bit,

because my guest today wants to help people have conversations about politics, whatever the issue, in a way that doesn't end in an argument.

Now...

Well, it might, it might end an argument.

Well, I mean, we're told the goal is not to.

And the voice you're here, there, and I'll just introduce Denise Gitzen.

She has more than two decades of experience working at the highest levels of government and she's

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