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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey

Ep 1317 | This Pastor's Phone Call Shook His Progressive Governor | Jeff Schwarzentraub

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey

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Christianity, News Commentary, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.825.8K Ratings

🗓️ 13 March 2026

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Allie talks with Pastor Jeff Schwarzentraub of Brave Church in Denver, Colorado, about proclaiming biblical truth in an increasingly hostile cultural and political environment. Jeff describes Denver’s hedonistic, progressive shift, Colorado’s radical transgender and abortion laws, and how COVID-19 convicted him to keep his church open and boldly proclaim the gospel in a time of fear and uncertainty. They discuss the pastor’s role in speaking to moral issues like gender and abortion, the cost of courage, Christian engagement in government, raising faithful kids in a dark culture, and the hopeful signs Jeff sees in Gen Z and the next generation of believers. Tune in to this encouraging and inspiring episode! Learn more about Pastor Jeff here: https://pastorjeff.com Share the Arrows 2026 is on October 10 in Dallas, Texas! Tickets are on sale now at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Allie's book “Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion”: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.toxicempathy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Timecodes: (00:00) Intro (01:20) Colorado's Cultural Shift (07:15) Gender Ideology (16:30) The Pastor's Role (20:20) Operating During COVID-19 (24:10) Church vs. State (30:00) Cost of Speaking Truth (37:45) Abortion Policy (40:50) Encouragement to Pastors (47:50) Hope for the Next Generation — Today's Sponsors: Concerned Women for America | When you go to ConcernedWomen.org/Allie and donate $20 or more, you will get a copy of their booklet on Socialism. This comprehensive guide is enlightening and will arm you with the facts to defeat the left’s irrational emotions. Alliance Defending Freedom | Go to joinadf.com/allie or text ALLIE to 83848 to send her an encouraging note or Bible verse and thank Adaleia for bravely standing for the truth. Cozy Earth | Discover how care in every detail transforms simple routines into real comfort. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code RELATABLE for up to 20% off. And if you get a post-purchase survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here. Good Ranchers | To support a company that honors America’s past, present, and future, visit GoodRanchers.com today. When you start your plan, you’ll get to pick a free meat that will be included in every order for life, and you’ll get $25 off your first order using my exclusive code, ALLIE. We Heart Nutrition | If you’re looking for the best way to save, you need to use their Build Your Box & Save option. You can use my code ALLIE for an extra 20% off, & it stacks with the Build Your Box savings. Go to weheartnurtition.com. — Related Episodes: Ep 1291 | Warning to Churches: Here’s What’s Coming Your Way https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000746104225 Ep 1246 | Unbiblical Churches: A Pastor’s List of Red Flags | Todd Wagner https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000728601346 Ep 539 | The Rise of the Metaverse Church & the Fall of COVID | Guest: Steve Deace https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-539-the-rise-of-the-metaverse-church-the/id1359249098?i=1000545094487 Ep 372 | Canadian Pastor Jailed & Lessons from Limbaugh https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-372-canadian-pastor-jailed-lessons-from-limbaugh/id1359249098?i=1000509730602 — Buy Allie's book "You're Not Enough (and That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.alliebethstuckey.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Relatable merchandise: Use promo code ALLIE10 for a discount: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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In the past year, Colorado has passed some of the most radically pro-trans legislation in the country,

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including a law that threatens parents, that they will lose custody of their child if they don't go along with their son or daughter's so-called gender transition. Colorado has also

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become a safe haven for abortion through all nine months of pregnancy. And against this very

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anti-biblical, dark and depraved backdrop is Brave Church. This is a church in Denver,

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Colorado that is led by Pastor Jeff. He is here today to talk about courage and the responsibility

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of both pastors and Christians in shining light in the darkness and speaking the truth in love

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and how we can actually make a difference

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by seemingly small acts of obedience to God. This is an incredibly edifying and educational

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conversation that you guys are going to love. So without further ado, here is Pastor Jeff, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Could you tell everyone who may not know

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who you are and what you do? Yeah, my name is Jeff Swazentrop. I'm the senior pastor of Brave

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Church in the Denver, Colorado area.

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