And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN, the Axviles, with your

host, David Axelrod.

Given the state of the world, it's good to sit down with someone who has spent a lot

of time thinking about it, reporting on it, writing about it.

And Jeffrey Goldberg is one of the savviest and most insightful commentators on global

affairs.

And now, as the editor of the Atlantic, he's leading a venerable news organization into

this uncharted waters of life with Donald Trump.

We sat down and talked about all of that more the other day.

Jeffrey Goldberg, welcome.

Welcome to the podcast.

Welcome to the Institute of Politics.

Good to see you.

Thank you.

Thanks for having me.

And these very interesting times.

And momentous.

And momentous times.

I want to get into what this moment means.

But before we get to all of that, I just want to talk a little bit about you.

You're now sitting in one of the really prestigious purchase of American journalism editing

Atlantic.

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