Ep 1232 | Jase & Lisa Harper Open Up About the Adoption Heartbreak No One Talks About

Unashamed with the Robertson Family

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Religion, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.9 • 23.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 December 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Jase, Al, and Zach are joined by bestselling author and podcaster Lisa Harper for one of the most emotionally honest conversations ever about lifelong shame, feelings of inadequacy, and adoption highs and lows. Lisa opens up about the heartbreak and long waiting that marked her adoption journey and the exhausting habit of performing spiritually instead of resting in God’s presence. Tears flow as Zach and Jase share their own adoption experiences and rejoice in the reflection of God’s nature through it all. In this episode: Luke 13, verses 10–17; John 4, verses 1–42; James 1, verse 17; James 1, verse 27; Ephesians 5, verses 22–33; Malachi 2, verses 13–16; John 17, verses 1–26 “Unashamed” Episode 1232 is sponsored by: https://preborn.com/unashamed — Visit the PreBorn! website or dial #250 and use keyword BABY to donate today. https://andrewandtodd.com or call 888-888-1172 — These guys are the real deal. Get trusted mortgage guidance and expertise from someone who shares your values! https://myphdweightloss.com — Find out how Al is finally losing weight! Schedule your one-on-one consultation today by visiting the website or calling 864-644-1900. https://www.puretalk.com/unashamed — Through your generosity PureTalk was able to donate over half a million dollars to America’s Warrior Partnership! http://unashamedforhillsdale.com/ — Sign up now for free, and join the Unashamed hosts every Friday for Unashamed Academy Powered by Hillsdale College Check out At Home with Phil Robertson, nearly 800 episodes of Phil's unfiltered wisdom, humor, and biblical truth, available for free for the first time! Get it on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, and anywhere you listen to podcasts! https://open.spotify.com/show/3LY8eJ4ZBZHmsImGoDNK2l Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. Chapters: 00:00-07:34 Lisa Harper could have been a comedian 07:35-14:40 How Lisa found Jesus & her ministry 14:41-22:28 Trusting God at your lowest point in life 22:29-28:53 God values presence over performance 28:54-40:40 The Bible as a love letter to us 40:41-47:20 Am I good enough to be a parent? 47:21-56:18 The joy & heartbreak of being an adoptive parent — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	So no matter how you slice it, we're definitely in a divided time in our country. There's no way around it. We see it every single day and watch the news. And so I think in this time of division, we have to have consistency that speaking into the values that we believe in. One of our good friends, Tony Perkins, heads up an organization called Family Research
0:22.9	Council. As a Louisiana guy, he's a pastor, he has our heart for Jesus. He even did a blurb in
0:29.5	dad's book, A Thet of America's Soul. And it's just been there for us as a family, but also as a nation.
0:36.9	So FRC is standing for what's right. They defend faith.
0:40.1	They protect families. They remind leaders that biblical truth still matters. So when others compromise,
0:46.4	our friends at FRC stand firm because if we lose our foundation, we lose the soul of our nation.
0:53.3	Unashamed Nation, you guys can help out FRC by defending
0:56.5	what matters most by visiting FRC.org slash unashamed to learn more. Check them out.
1:07.0	I am unashamed. What about you?
1:17.6	Welcome back to Unashamed, still on our Nashville, Nashville barn stormy.
1:18.5	Yeah.
1:23.0	And it's really interesting because we had a country singer on, which there's a lot of country singers in Nashville.
1:26.9	We had a comedian on, there's a lot of comedians in Nashville, and today a Bible scholar.
1:33.6	Scholars are very gracious. How many Bible scholars are there in Nashville? You're very scholarly, Lisa. It sounds appropriate after a singer and a comedian. So Lisa Harper is joining us on the podcast.
1:39.2	And one thing, I'm already liking you, Lisa, because I'm looking at that Bible, and that's
1:44.1	screaming of my dad.
1:46.1	Oh, wow.
1:46.6	Because his was not quite as many stickies as you have, but definitely the wornness and the
1:52.0	writing and all the things.
1:53.7	And you said, this is special because your dad.
1:56.4	Yeah, my dad wrote in it before he passed, and my dad was a a he was a many-layered man you know pretty rough
2:03.1	early start and then so much repentance yeah myself too yeah so much repentance later in his life
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