Eric, we are the champions.

We are.

Yeah.

And I use the royal we because once you join a crew, it's not the accomplishment of one person because there is no I in team.

It's what the entire team does collectively.

So Sam joining up with us, we could say the three of us are world champions,

and it feels amazing. Yeah. People haven't realized it yet. We're a collectivist, you know,

crew here at Iron Culture that myself and Omar looked down as the two monarchs over this

collectivist society.

Of course, at the top of that non-hierical hierarchy.

And so to having Sam on today, Sam Okinaola folks, 2017 IPE, natural bodybuilding, world champion.

And multiple time second place runner up in various world championships, including two WNBF worlds and the

2012 IFPA-Yorton Cup. This guy is royalty in the natural bodybuilding world, and therefore, so are we.

So we greatly appreciate him sharing his accomplishments with us. So it was awesome to have him on.

Eric, it's also, it's interesting, I'll just say, when you talk to someone that has been

doing the damn thing for so long, some of the similarities that we had the conversation

with Brian Whitaker, also not just bodybuilders, but also powerlifters, where Sam's basically

at the peak of his game right now, and he made a choice to retire.

Who knows if he'll be permanently?

And then the rationale behind that, the lessons learned along the way, the myth of being

hardcore, what lifting has done for him, the origin of what allowed him to be competitive

in lifting.

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