Hello and welcome to the Karma You podcast. This is your host, Chloe Brotheridge. I'm a coach, a

hypnotologist, and I'm the author of The Anxiety Solution and Brave New Girl. And this podcast is all

about helping you to become your calmest, happiest and most confident self.

Thank you so much for listening today. Welcome.

Thanks for being here. Welcome back. If you've listened before, welcome for the first time.

If you're joining me here for the first time on the podcast, I am speaking to the very lovely Emma

Gunnar Wardner today. Emma Guns, as she is known on Instagram, famous for the Emma Guns

show, her brilliant podcast. She's also a journalist. And we actually met several years ago when I was on

her podcast. It was when the anxiety solution had just come out. And I think it was one of the first

podcasts I'd ever done

and she was just really, really lovely and has said some lovely things about my books in the past

and bought them for friends and things. And so it was so nice to get to be the one asking her the

questions this time. And I love this conversation. We really go there. We really get into Emma's story of her

experience of anxiety and depression, what it took for her to finally get help. We talk about

how to get out a victim mode. And honestly, this is something that I recognize in myself. Emma

talks about this as well. It's not very nice thing to admit to, but actually it can happen all too

often that we can get ourselves into this mindset of being a victim which really doesn't serve us.

And we talk about this and how to get out of it. We discuss why confidence is not always what it seems. Don't be fooled

people. Lots of people that seem very confident. Actually, you peel back the layers and we discover

they're just as riddled in self-doubt and insecurity as we are. And we talk about her feel-good

habits and also the deeper self-work that she's been doing that makes the biggest difference.

So I think you're going to love this episode. I really think it's good to have these

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