This is Trend Following Radio, where great thinking comes alive.

Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, bestselling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings.

I am your host, Michael Covel, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

Now you know, on this podcast, I like to go down all kinds of paths. Now, usually they're all

interconnected and related. Sometimes you might say to yourself, Mike, I disagree. That's not true.

Well, I really don't care. I'm the person that programs this damn podcast, and I know it's true.

Now, if you're out there and maybe you've read one of my books over the years, maybe you're going

down the path of trying to make a lot of money. And that's a great thing. But once you get that bag of money,

then what? You got the rest of your life figured out? You got the relationship stuff figured out?

Most of us don't. Most of us make a lot of mistakes. My guest today, two therapists,

have some fantastic insights on navigating relationships. John

Kim, Vanessa Bennett. Their book, It's Not Me, It's You. Break the Blame Cycle, Relationship

Better. Sometimes in life, we can make things more complicated.

And then when you get behind the scenes, you find out there was actually an easier way.

I give John and Vanessa great props because given, and we all know this, given the complexity of relationships, not having a toolkit to navigate, hey, that might be the end of the relationship.

That might be a divorce.

Or maybe you learn you never should have been with that person.

So I can promise you, all of you business people, all of you academics, all of you traders,

all of you investors, and for the people that listen to this show because they just love

all these psychology guests that come on, I can guarantee you that John and Vanessa bring a

perspective to relationships where you will have your aha moment. Without any further delay from me,

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