Saga and Marshall here. Welcome back to The Realignment.

This week, we're excited to bring you Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Rebecca Heinrichs.

Rebecca specializes in nuclear deterrence and missile defense. What we wanted to talk with

her about is a recent debate she had at the Oxford Union in favor of the proposition that the

Trump foreign policy is preferable to the Obama foreign policy. Rebecca's speech hit some key

areas that we focus on here at The Realignment. So we dig into the substance of the Trump

administrations foreign policy, engage with some of its critiques, and settle on a core,

clear-eyed assessment that the administrations foreign policy brings to the major threats

the United States faces in the world today. We also discuss the benefit that President Trump's

irreverence has given a much-needed shock to the system of international politics.

Throughout the episode, you also hear parts of our speech from the Oxford Union. With that, let's dive in.

Rebecca Heinrichs, welcome to The Realignment. Thanks. Happy to be here. Of course, well, we're so happy

to hear our inaugural guest in our brand new studio here, which looks fantastic. We have some really

interesting stuff that we want to get into today. Yeah, so Rebecca, we wanted to have you on because

last May, you went to the Oxford Union in the United Kingdom and you debated the following

resolution. This house prefers Trump's foreign policy to Obama's. You were debating if Admiral

Dennis Blair, who was the former director of National Intelligence, and you also debated against

Amy Pope of the Department of Homeland Security, under President Obama, and former Homeland Security

Secretary, Jay Johnson. So we just thought it'd be great to unpack this actual debate and discussion

you had. Great. Well, so let's take a listen first to the three premises that you put forward for.

If you believe that the Trump foreign policy is preferable to the Obama foreign policy.

If you begin with the premises that it is good for sovereign nations to join together to form

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