This is Eli Lake, and you are listening to the re-education.

The topic today is nonviolent resistance, and my guest is Cameron Kanzerina,

the policy director for the National Union for Democracy in Iran.

Last month, a friend of mine named Peter Ackerman died.

He lived a rich life, becoming wealthy as a bond trader on Wall Street.

He helped found the company fresh direct and pioneered the movement for ranked choice voting in American elections.

But I want to focus on Peter Ackerman's enduring passion for ending tyranny.

Peter Ackerman believed in the power of what is called strategic nonviolent resistance.

He studied it as a young man at Tufts University, where he earned his PhD,

and later in life he founded organizations devoted to sharing the strategic insights

that he learned from studying successful movements to bring down dictatorships.

In 2002, he helped produce a documentary that chronicled the successful struggle of Serbia's

resistance to their dictator, Slobodan Milosevic.

Here's a clip from that film.

But among the opposition, one group knows that protest is not enough.

Working quietly, they target the very foundation of Milosevic's power, the ordinary people

who, until now, have been afraid to oppose him.

Their symbol, the clenched fist. Their name, Ackpur, the Serbian word for resistance.

Atpore, resistance, is already a year old.

But in the aftermath of the NATO bombing, it's growing fast.

We often associate this concept of nonviolent resistance with two great figures of the 20th century,

Muhammad Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr.

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