This is Trend Following Radio, where great thinking comes alive.

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I am your host, Michael Covel.

Not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

And so today, I am really happy to have my first Skype guest, Mike Devere.

Mike has been trading for a while.

He has a little bit of experience.

And I'm not going to attempt to go over all the details of his background.

I'm going to let him tell a few things.

But let's just say that Mike has seen systematic trading for at least a couple decades.

And it's interesting in my world where I've talked to so many systematic guys, so many

trend trading guys in the CTA world, the commodity trading world.

I've not had a chance to spend time with Mike

yet or, you know, really sit down with him. Even though years and years and years ago, I was

sitting at several panels that he would moderate when I was trying to acquire information and

learn how things were done. So anyways, I do want to introduce Mike.

And Mike, I wonder if you could give the audience a little bit of a background

on how you got started and maybe even start with, you know,

take it back to your first trade.

So my first trade was actually in gold call options,

which pretty quickly within a couple

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