I was in a communal setting and I was going to stir some soup and somebody had left a plastic spatula out and I know that plastics and endocrine disruptor.

I don't want to put it into hot soup. I don't want phytoeestrogens in my food and I went to go find a wooden spoon and as I went to put the wooden spoon in the soup I heard in my head that I was a hypocrite because here I had these plastic spoons in my chest my warm

heart beating chest and that was the final straw. I made the appointment to consult to get him out.

Welcome to Living 4D with Paul Cheek. Today Paul talks with a woman of unique expertise,

Nicole Dervaney.

Nicole is a mother, a self-proclaimed Alto Heila and part of the Czech Institute

faculty and she believes that beauty is a feeling that comes from healthy habits and mindset.

Nicole is the co-owner of Iron and Salt Studios in Salt Lake City, a holistic healing center, and one of the only places you will find

a kitchen in the gym.

Well, Nicole, it's lovely to have you on Living 4D with me Paul Check and very excited to share you actually with

the world and the topic of today boobs they can make you or break you and I invited you to be my

guess for a number of reasons one you're just an amazing woman, and two, you have a lot of knowledge in all things, health care, and exercise, and you are an instructor

for the Czech Institute and a very, very good one at that.

And you've been through quite a journey with your own experience of implants and I have a lot of clinical experience working

with women having challenges with implants which I've been dealing with these things all the way back in the very beginning of my work at

sports and orthopedic rehabilitation in 1988 I started seeing women that were having problems

with implants but then when I owned my clinic Golden Triangle Rehabilitation with my

partner Steve Clark which was a physical therapy clinic. I had several very severe cases of problems with breast implants.

And I've seen them, I've seen the psychological implants.

And I've seen the psychological side of it.

I've seen the physical and physiological side of it, the emotional side of it.

one lady that I worked with, I don't know if I've ever told you the story before, but she had quite an old model of implant, you know, they were very firm, almost like a mannequin that you see in a store.

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