Dudes and duets. Welcome to episode 86. I recorded this one with my buddy Joe Ryan last night.

Crack pipe. Nice.

We may have been a little bit unfocused when we started.

We're the only podcast that has both a microphone

and a crack pipe plugged into the...

But then we managed to get it together like we always do.

It's going to be a long one.

So enough of the silliness.

Let's get it rolling.

Buckle up kitties, here we go.

Somebody told me that you do or die.

But I believe... Somebody told me that you do or die.

We're talking about the idea of,

I called it argument by proxy.

So here's, I can explain it like,

the way I see it like in my group right for the

podcast people are you know they're afraid of how they feel so to try and

relate it to your stuff too I think they're they're trying to avoid feelings and sensations right and then they come on and they hate them and their reaction is always to try many times as opposed to just letting them be there and be non-reactive to them and learn that it's okay to feel these things because it's not going to kill you.

They will often try and talk themselves out of it.

That's the mantra of, I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm safe, I'm safe. This is okay. It will pass all things will pass. You've heard all of them right?

And you know I can handle this. I got this all that stuff and it doesn't work right it never works because the anxious

mind will always get that last what if in it will always come back yeah but but what if

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