Hey, welcome back to the Personality Hacker Podcast. My name is Joel Mark Witt.

And I'm Antonia Dodge.

And we have a very special guest today with us. We've invited Beatrice Chestnut. She's a psychotherapist, a business

coach and consultant, and she's the author of two books on the anagram. The one that's most recently been released is called the nine types of leadership

and then she had a book before that called the complete

anagram and she's been studying the anagram for over

27 years and Tony and I both

picked up a copy of her book in the last few months and we're like wow this is

amazing stuff we have to have her on the show so So Beatrice, welcome to Personality Hacker.

It's great to be here. Thanks for having me.

So one of the things that stands out about how you teach the anagram, at least for me as a,

I mean, I'm primarily a Myers-Briggs enthusiast but I love the

any gram so I've done a lot of deep dive study into it and I notice right away

that your approach to the any gram is different than some of the your You break it down, you make it very simple to understand, and I'm curious to know what your story is around, like what made you fall in love with the anagram and decide to, you know, repurpose, repackage it in a way that is very easy for other people to access

the material.

Oh, well, I'm really glad to hear you find it accessible because that's exactly what I

wanted to do.

You know, I first learned the anygram in 1990,

and I, you know, I wasn't in the field of psychology,

I wasn't planning to study the anygram,

but I learned it through a friend's father. He told me one night

at dinner that I was probably a type two and so I went and read Helen Palmer's

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